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I was sent this email recently, for my signature.

Subject: Fw: And the British Labour Party call this Justice ?

Do you remember February 1993 in England , when a 
young boy of 3 was taken from a Liverpool shopping 
centre by two 10-year-old boys? 

Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only 
a second, Jon Venables took his hand and led him out 
of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson. 

They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the 
way stopping every now and again to 
torture the poor little boy who was crying 
constantly for his mummy. 

Finally they stopped at a railway track where they 
brutally kicked him, threw stones at him, rubbed paint 
in his eyes, pushed batteries up his anus and cut his 
fingers off with scissors. Other mutilations were 
inflicted but not reported in the press. 

N.B. :- Remember, a 3year old cannot possibly 
defend themselves against a 10 year old, let alone of 2 them. 

What these two boys did was so horrendous that 
Jamie's mother was forbidden to identify his body. 

They then left his beaten small body on railway 
tracks so a train could run him over to hide the mess 
they had created. These two boys, even being boys, 
understood what they did was wrong, hence trying to 
make it look like an accident. 

This week Lady Justice Butler-Sloss has awarded 
the two boys ( now men ), anonymity for the rest of 
their lives when they leave custody with new 
identities. 

They will also leave custody early only 
serving just over half of their sentence. 
They are being relocated to Australia to live out 
the rest of their lives. They disgustingly and 
violently took Jamie's life away and in re turn they 
each get a new life! 

Please.... . If you feel as strongly as we do, ( 
and if you haven't already signed this petition ) that 
this is a grave Miscarriage of justice - Hit the 
forward button and add your name at the end, and send 
it to everyone you can ! 

If you are the 700th person to sign, please 
forward this e-mail to: (removed) 
and mark it for the attention to Lady Justice Butler-Sloss. 

Then continue on until it hits 1400, before you 
email her the list again. 

There is power in numbers & these petitions do help. 
Maybe it'll prevent another child from a violent 
death & maybe it'll get greater, more appropriate 
convictions for these criminals.whatever their age. 

Please take a few seconds to forward it to your 
mail list & don't forget to add your name to the list. 

Steve Uncles 
English Democrats 

Thank you 

At the bottom of the email were hundreds of signatures.
Mine will not be one of them- although I did forward to back
to someone on the list as I believe people should be able to
voice their opinion.

I would like to explain why I didnt add my name in protest even
though my heart goes out to everyone in Jamie's family
- and everyone affected by this tragedy.

It was a tough one for me as a child behaviour therapist.

At 10 / 11 these boys weren't fully formed - brain development
wise - and Im really referring to empathy, understanding how other
feel and realising the consequences. Also that at this age kids are
easily led. So one of the boys may have instigated it and have a
psycholoigcal hold over the others- who were participating because
remaining friends with the boy (which means doing as he says) is
more important that the consequences of what will happen
to the victim.
There is no excuse- and these boys- all of them - would need
masses of help- but we dont know the circumstances really-
what was going on - we dont know their history- and at that
age they are still able to get help and change to be
productive members of society. 

Its completely different to kids who are older- and adult
s- who's brains are fully formed. However we live in a society of punishment rather than reform- we dont care if there were
reasons and the kids can be reformed and never do anything
to harm another living soul; because of what they did
society tends to not allow forgiveness and only wants
punishment- a life-time of punishment. 

Its tricky- as a mother I absolutely understand the desire
to refuse forgiveness or understanding- and just to punish.
What that poor child went through and what his mother is
still going through is unimaginable. As a therapist however
I know how easy it is for kids to do stupid things- and especially
in our society where they are allowed to watch violent game,
movies, they arent supervised or given guidance- and
have few if any positive role models. Role models who take a
proactive interest in their moral development- in helping them to
develop social and emotional intelligence. They become
desensitized with regards to what is right and wrong-
they aren't being led, by example, to choose kind
and ethical behaviour.

There were things missing in their lives in that regard -
guidance that they didnt get - that indisputably contributed
to this behaviour.
These things were beyond their control- and yet they are the
ones we want to punish and not their parents, teachers
- anyone else.
It's society gone mad.

Things like this are on the rise- and if we dont start
considering reform- and prevention- and looking at why
this happened in the first place instead of just being
hell-bent on punishing the kids - who were still developing
- then just imagine how much frequently instances
like this are going to occur.

Because of the age of the children they could be taught
differerently - their behaviour doesnt mean they are
psychopaths - and only the professionals working with them
after the event will have an insight into why they did what
they did- and if help would mean change.
I suspect that if they have been released then the
professionals working with them decided this was possible.
If they were to be sent to Australia it would mean
saving the UK gov thousands upon thousands in the money
spent on keeping them in prison for life. Wouldnt it be good
to think that the money saved could be used constrictively- to bring
about change. The likelyhood of that happening unfortunately seems
remote. Moving them would also mean giving those kids - now
adults - a second chance. We dont know if they deserve it - we
dont know anything about them except what we see in the media
- and are we really in a position to judge? It doesnt excuse
what they did- but trying to understand why will potentially
help others. 


I have had to do so much research and work on 'punishment'
over 'reform' within my field- and its so hard- however
I generally try to work towards reform- and trying to separate
behaviour choices from the authentic self. Forgiveness
(which doesn't mean you are saying it was ok- simply that you are no longer going to be a prisoner to hurt and anger - or allow
someone to have power over you) is far more emotionally
healthy for those affected.

As an 8 year old my mother caught me threading live shrimps
together - I remember not thinking of them as living beings-
it was something I was just doing out of curiosity. She stepped
in and had a fit at me!-  I was lucky- I had someone to
step in and talk things through and guide me. Did those boys? 
What they did was terrible- and there should always be consequences- but imagine if your child was alone (didnt
have great parents) and had no guidance- and was led by a
stronger boy to do things he didnt really understand. When it
got out of hand the only thing youve learnt is to try to hide
the mistake- or you will be punished. At 10 that can be far more
important- avoiding punishment - than thinking of what you
are doing to hide that. That is the thinking of children
without guidance- and not necessarily of  'evil''. 


This is a tricky issue - I can understand both sides- this was a terrible
terrible behaviour choices of those boys- do we help them behave
differently- or just punish them forever?

Let me know what you think- and I will be happy to post your views
info@the-child-listener.com

 

 


Hi Emma- I found this which was interesting as it shows that we should take emails like this with a pinch of salt anyway.

It started by citing the exact email you received, and went on to say....

Sadly, the events described are fundamentally true. Ten-year-olds Jon Venables and Robert Thompson did, indeed, kidnap James Bulger and are responsible for his brutal torture and death (just weeks shy of James' third birthday). The murder sent a wave of shock and disgust throughout the UK. Despite authorities' attempts to keep publicity on the case to a minimum, the media fed an already hyperactive public rumor mill. While the basic story told above is true, it is peppered with rumors and exaggerations not supported by official accounts.

On February 12, 1993, Venables and Thompson skipped school and went to the Bootle Strand Shopping Centre in Merseyside, U.K. That morning, they attempted to kidnap a two-year-old boy while his mother shopped, only to fail when the mother missed the child and called him back. Undeterred, Venables and and Thompson tried again that afternoon, this time successfully leading James Bulger away from his mother and the shopping centre. They embarked on a two-and-a-half mile trek during which they dropped, kicked and beat the toddler. No fewer than 38 witnesses saw the boys and noticed James' injuries. While some approached the boys to see what was going on, none interceded on James' behalf, being placated by the older boys' assertions that the younger was their brother and they were seeing to his well-being. This lack of action by more than three dozen people would later spark its own media-fueled outrage.

When the three arrived at isolated railway tracks near Walton, Merseyside, Thompson and Venables threw blue modeling paint in Bulger's face and beat him with bricks, stones and a 22 lb iron bar. He was sexually assaulted, but not anally penetrated (official reports claim that batteries were inserted in the boy's mouth, not anus, as the chain letter claims). Venables and Thompson then laid the boy's body across the tracks and weighed his head down with stones in hopes that a train strike would hide the evidence of their actions. James' body was found two days later, having been run over by a train, though pathologists report that the boy was dead long before.

Public outrage at the murder was instant and severe, fed by tabloid media that pushed - and often broke - the law to report details on the case. After the boys' names and mugshots were made public, their families had to be moved to different parts of the country and have their identities changed to protect them from death threats.

During the trial, the boys offered no defense and were subsequently found guilty and sentenced to a young offenders institution. Their sentence was at "Her Majesty's Pleasure" - a British legal term for an indefinite sentence often used as a substitute to life sentencing for minors. The sentence is reviewed by the Government from time-to-time, and the trial judge set the minimum sentence at eight years. It was later increased to ten years on appeal. Then, Home Secretary Michael Howard increased the sentence to 15 years. However, Howard's move was harshly criticized as being politically motivated and was overturned in 1997. In 2000, citing good behavior during their detention, Thompson's and Venables' sentences were reduced by two years, effectively restoring the original eight-year term.

Two possible motivators of the boys' actions were heatedly discussed, both in the courtroom as well as in public discourse and the media: video violence and domestic violence. Venables and Thompson had access to a collection of violent films, though no testimony that the boys had been watching them was presented at their trial. The media, however, printed a list of such films (including Child's Play 3, in which a possessed doll kills children), which they alleged may have motivated the boys and which were subsequently banned and voluntarily removed by several video rental chains.

Both of the killers came from difficult family backgrounds and grew up in a community hard-hit by a floundering economy and sky-high unemployment. Thompson was one of seven children being raised by an alcoholic single mother. The children were brutal to each other, with a history of violence, assault and attempted suicide. Venables' background was less tragic. The boy lived in shared custody of his mother and father, who lived near each other. His two siblings had significant learning disabilities and his mother was severely depressed and suicidal. Jon was hyperactive and was prone to violence.

In June, 2001, after a six-month review of their case, the parole board determined the boys were no longer a public threat and made them eligible for release since their minimum sentence of eight years had expired (the chain letter above appears to be referencing the artificially inflated 15-year term imposed by Howard when it claims that only half of the boys' sentence was served). The boys were released that summer on a life license, which means that, at any point in their lives, if they are determined to be a danger to public safety, they will be returned to incarceration. They were given new identities and relocated to different parts of the country. It was feared at the time that the boys' new identities and locations would soon be become public.

Versions of this e-mail "petition" have been circulating since early 2000, but gained widespread popularity only after the boys' release in 2001, rendering the petition's primary purpose - the prevention of Venables' and Thompson's release - a moot point. In the spring 2005, versions of the chain began alleging that the killers were being relocated Australia (a totally unsubstantiated claim). Another version surfacing in 2005 "Americanized" the tale, incorrectly placing the horrendous events in Liverpool, NY.

Many folks have told me that they don't care that the petition is outdated - they were going to forward it, anyway, in hopes that knowledge of the case may prevent a future tragedy. However, BreakTheChain.org recommends against participating in or propagating any e-mail petition because they are relatively ineffective and rife with problems, as illustrated by the Seven Tests of Armchair Activism:

    1. Expiration - FAILED - Venables and Thompson were granted lifelong anonymity by the High Court of England in January, 2001 and released in the summer of that year. Yet, because this petition lacks this information, it continues to circulate.
    2. Focus - FAILED - The petition lack a clear statement of intent. Instead of outlining the exact actions the person in authority is desired to take, it devotes almost all of its text to convincing people to sign it - a common shortcoming of amateurish e-petitions.
    3. Integrity - FAILED - It asks you to send completed petitions directly to the party whose actions you are trying to influence. This is also a common shortcoming among e-mail petitions - and one that typically renders them incredibly ineffective. Compiling the throngs of "signatures" that these things can generate (and weeding out the thousands of duplicate, invalid and fake entries) is a Herculean task. Besides, the e-mail address given in most versions of this chain is invalid and mails to it are returned as undeliverable.
    4. Privacy - FAILED - No e-mail is private. Once you sign and forward an e-mail petition, you have no control over where it goes and what others do with it and the information it contains (including your name and e-mail address). The originators of the petition offer no alternative way to sign.
    5. Reliability - FAILED - There is no coordinated effort behind this petition and, as stated above, it relies too heavily on the the target party to compile "signatures" and determine its effectiveness.
    6. Sponsorship - FAILED - The author does not identify himself or herself, nor has anyone taken responsibility for it. Several campaigns have advocated against the killers' release, but none have claimed ownership of this chain letter and all have offered more effective alternatives (e.g., letter writing campaigns, demonstrations, etc.).
    7. Validity - UNDETERMINED - Despite exaggerations and incomplete information, the basic claims are true. Unfortunately, the author did not see fit to provide any references nor explain his or her credentials as an expert on the case, so we are to assume that the information is based on his or her recollection of media reports - a shaky premise at best.

In October, 2005, Jamie's mother and killers were once again in the headlines as Denise Fergus publicly objected to reports that both of her son's killers may have broken the terms of their release. In June, 2005, a national (UK) newspaper reported that Jon Venables had been treated in a Merseyside hospital for injuries stemming from assault. A term of his probation is that he is not permitted to enter the county of Merseyside without official permission or an escort. A September article in the same paper reported that Robert Thompson, now 24, had been prescribed methadone, presumably to treat a heroine addiction. Use of an illegal (or Class A drug) is illegal and, thus, a violation of his probation. Fergus is publicly calling for an investigation of what she feels is a blatant mishandling of the killers' probation. Break this Chain.

References: Wikipedia, Snopes.com, About.com, TruthOrFiction.com, Liverpool Daily Post

Source-http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bulger.html

Jenny




 

 

 




 


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